Bang Kieu – Nhac Yeu Cau
Tomorrow is Valentine’s Day and even if your lover is a big fan of Bang Kieu, do not give her his latest CD, Nhac Yeu Cau, unless you want her to leave your ass. Listening to the album while driving home yesterday almost made me become Michael Douglas’s character in Falling Down.
From the opening cover of Pham Duy’s “Chuyen Tinh Buon” to the closing of Truong Sa’s “Mot Mai Em Di,” the only thing Bang Kieu added to the depressing tunes are his diva drama. His version Vu Thanh An’s “Tinh Khuc Thu Nhat” is like Celine Dion meets Kenny G. His feminine high pitch and the smooth saxophone just make me want to jump off the Washington Monument. If Tran Thien Thanh “Tinh Dau Tinh Cuoi” and Duy Quang’s “Kiep Dam Me” aren’t two of the most depressing songs of all time, Bang Kieu has just put them on the chart. As if one diva isn’t schmaltzy enough, Bang Kieu invites diva Tran Thu Ha to join him on Nguyen Vu’s “Loi Cuoi Cho Em” and Tran Thien Thanh’s “Khi Nguoi Yeu Toi Khoc,” and they sound like two broken-hearted broads crying over each other’s shoulder.
It’s safe to say that any album released under Thuy Nga production you can just toss creativity and innovation out the window. In fact, Bang Kieu is not trying to make anything imaginative here because he knows that these tunes have been covered to death and there isn’t much he can do with them. The quickest and easiest way to cash in on them is to make them as dramatic as possible and he does so damn well without even blinking.
Giọng hát, giống như khuôn mặt của một con người vậy! Đôi khi, chỉ cần nghe đôi ba chữ đầu tiên cất lên từ trong loa xe, lắm lúc đáng yêu vô cùng mà cũng lắm lúc ghét cay ghét đắng! Bằng Kiều sở hữu giọng hát mà lắm lúc có làm cho mình ghét! Ngoài ca khúc thị trường Trái Tim Bên Lề (PKT) và ca khúc nhè nhẹ Cơn Gió Thoảng (QD), đa số những sản phẩm còn lại, Bằng Kiều vẫn chưa lột tả được cái cốt lõi quê của mình. (Xin khẳng định, mình không cho rằng quê là tiêu cực. Chỉ là một phẩm chất Trời sinh thôi).
Khi có bàn tay và hơi hám của T. Phương Trinh vào, dù muốn dù không, đó là một CD thương mại không hơn không kém. Tựa đề “Nhạc Yêu Cầu” thôi, máy móc thay, cũng đã là một dấu hiệu của thương mại. Với mình, sự “yêu cầu” ngọt ngào nhất, tuyệt vời nhất dành cho một nghệ sĩ hát, vẫn là để cho người ấy hát theo cảm xúc riêng, bài gì cũng được (đừng cứ gặp Ngọc là Riêng Một Góc Trời; Lan là Mình Ơi hoặc Phương là Bang Bang!!!) Đằng này, tự động đăng lên website, blogs để lâu lâu khán thính giả rỗi cho vài lời và tựa đề thành một bài hát, mình e ngại và cảm thấy nó y chang như vô trong Fry’s Electronics mua blank CD’s chỉ vì đọc tờ báo nó ghi là giảm giá đấy (hành đồng vì sự sẵn có, thuận tiện).
Nếu mình là một khán giả của Bằng Kiều, và nếu ai đó yêu cầu mình yêu cầu điều gì đó đến Bằng Kiều, nhẹ nhàng thôi, mình sẽ nói: nghỉ ngơi thêm chút thời gian nhé, tìm kiếm thêm cảm xúc, đầu tư thêm thanh nhạc. Hai, ba năm sau cho ra đời một sản phẩm chắc nịch, chất lượng, cũng chưa muộn. Còn kiếm sống, cứ đi vòng vòng hát ở casino, người đời cũng sẽ YÊU CẦU hát hoài Trái Tim Bên Lề đấy thôi.
PTN, you did it again and I can’t disagree more. These singers need to take their time to find that feeling, not just put out a bunch of crappy covers to please their fans. He can satisfy their requests in casino or something and give an album the respect its deserves.
To be fair, within the Viet-music industry, if you don’t have 2 cds a year people would consider your career is over. Besides, BK and MT is PBN money machine now, so of course they have to make lots of CD. Both BK and MT will each have a new solo in the next couples of months. They also have a duets CD that will soon be released as well.
I, however, really like BK as a “thị trường” singer. I don’t mind his high pitch voice. I would take it over QD’s singer-worker voice on any given day.
Donny how do you get the CD so fast? I live in So-Cal and I have yet get my hand on this CD. It is, however, on my to do list this weekend.
Anh Nhiên, bộ anh không thích “Rung Một Góc Giường” của TN sao? Có ai hát bài đó qua TN đâu?
Have a great weekend guys!
Dear Son Doan:
Anh nghĩ: hãy để TN hát bài hát đó khi TN tự có cảm hứng thì “RMGT” sẽ hay hơn “RMGT” khi mọi người hò hét yêu cầu! Nghệ thuật khi không có áp lực, nó tinh khiết thật!
Và chỉ chút suy nghĩ riêng: âm nhạc (một bài hát) dường như không có cái nhất (dù chưa ai hát qua).
Bởi thế, nếu Son Doan có cảm xúc để trình bày RMGT, Nhiên sẽ nghe với tất cả sự quý trọng và sẵn sàng quên đi âm hưởng TN kia!
Dear A. Nhien: Regarding the “que” part, are you referring to his voice? It seemed to me that virtually everyone from Ha Noi talks that way nowadays. I guessed it all started at some point during the war (‘cos my “di cu” grandparents,parents, uncles…don’t “li’u lo” like that and they’re 100% Bac Ky). What we think is “que” would actually be considered “thoi thuong” nowadays. Well, to the victors goes the spoils, I guess. I think BK is at his best when he’s on his “que” mode and not trying (recently) to be like Tuan Ngoc. The only time he impressed me was during his rendition of Mua Tren Ngay Thang Cu (though the composer’s take was still way better to me). No matter how hard he tries to shred it, the “mi` an lie^`n” image will always stick with him.
BTW, please don’t associate my man TN with Rieng Mot Goc Troi…Worthless song! Ngo Thuy Mien sometimes annoyed the hell out of me with his use of sa’o Ngu~. Oh, and what the fuck does “em nhu mot nu hong cau mong chang lanh lung” really mean?
When I first found BK on the web through the song “Con gio thoang” and “Doi thay”, I was pretty taken by his his voice. Two years later, I met BK at a show and we duet “Giot suong tren mi mat” and he aked me “Em la khan gia hay la ca si ? Em hat khong thua gi ca si My Linh o VN ” . Needless to say, I was really liking BK even more. Later on, I spoke to him after performing and my crush on him was kind of evaporated because he wasn’t what I thought he was going to be like :) I never listen to him again after he joined Thuy Nga for obvious reason. The thing that turn me off was that he was getting to married to PT. :)
Well Bang Kieu is a great singer only when he sings the songs that matched with his voice. I thought his version of Chi Toi (by tran tien) is really nice. Nhu Chiec Que Diem and Le Da are also great. Va lai Tinh Toi is not bad.
To Toiletfloat….Tinh ca cua Ngo Thuy Mien phai noi la khong kem mot nhac si nao, neu nhu khong noi la vao hang nhat. Nhac Ngo Thuy Mien lang mang va loi le rat phong phu, tuy doi khi hoi truu tuong mot chut.
“Em nhu mot nu hong cau mong chang lanh lung”…lolz. You never hear song writers write things, metaphors that are hard to understand? Music and poems if have to be in straight forward language (like nowadays in VN young writers like Duy Manh)…then i think wont be as tasteful. Oh btw…RMGT is not a worthless song.
Langtula: Khong sai, NTM co vi tri lon trong nen am nhac vn. Cai loi lam lon nhat la ong qua’ thich dung nhung ngon tu va hinh tuong nghe qua thi rat keu nhung ben trong thi rong tuech (ong ba ta goi la “sao’ ngu~”). Cung nhu mot mon an co qua nhieu gia vi nhung thanh phan chinh thi lai lang phet. Theo toi, trong cach dung chu, TCS la bac thay. Nghe nhac Trinh, nhieu khi luc lau sau nghiem ra moi thay tham nhung gi ong noi. Nhung hinh tuong NTM hay dung da so tuy lon lao nhung chang co gi la kho hieu cho lam va nhat la chang co gi sau sac. Cong nhan ong co nhung bai de doi. Paris Co Gi La Khong Em la mot:
…van hoi long minh la huong com
cha biet tay ai la la sen.
nhung chac chang ai ngac nhien khi biet rang Nguyen Sa la tac gia cua bai tho.
Trong van tho, khong phai he cu kho hieu hay truu tuong moi la hay. Chang han nhu Vo Phien cua ta hay Hemmingway cua My. Ho luon yeu cai don gian cua cuoc song (simple and effective). Co ai dam so sanh ho voi Duy Manh khong?
Theo toi, trong cach dung chu, TCS la bac thay. Nghe nhac Trinh, nhieu khi luc lau sau nghiem ra moi thay tham nhung gi ong noi.
“Theo tôi, trong cách dùng chữ, Trịnh Công Sơn là bậc thầy. Nghe nhạc Trịnh, nhiều khi lúc lâu sau nghiệm ra mới thấy thấm những gì ông nói.” <–câu này hay nhất trong tuần đấy!
Vì hay, mình đánh máy có dấu tiếng Việt để nhỡ có ai “google” về Trịnh Công Sơn, họ sẽ đọc được những trao đổi vu vơ ý nghĩa thế này!
Dear TF:
Quê: cả trong giọng hát, nói, lẫn ứng xử! (Có kẻ chỉ bị một trong 3).
Hãy nhìn Thanh Lam, nghệ sĩ Lê Khanh là hai ví dụ của sự sang trọng! Riêng Thanh Lam, giọng nói, hát và ứng xử của cô đều ở cùng một đẳng cấp, không chênh!
Ở Mỹ, Ý Lan là một ví dụ của sự sang trọng – ngay cả lúc Ý Lan xào đi xào lại cái vụ Ý Lan’s Sweet Dreams Foundation (Breast Cancer)!
Về phía nam, tôi bầu cho: LS Khuất Duy Trác, nhà văn Quyên Dzi & Tuấn Cường.
He’s more about showing off his vocal prowess than expressing the song lyrics. My biggest problem with his singing is that he over dramatizes for the sake of showing off. The other half of the time he shows off and glosses over lyrics. Theres no middle ground with this man. He’s either an overbearing drama queen or aloof to the point where he has the enthusiasm of an obese person at a weight watchers meeting.
PASS.
Thanks A. Nhien, I don’t have vni. Typing, let alone typing in Vietnamese, to me is a torture.
Talking about elegance, my hero has been and always will be Si Phu. Lawyer/performer Duy Trac is definitely up there with him. SP, DT, and Vu Huyen were the Rat Pack of Saigon. I haven’t had the pleasure of meeting Tuan Cuong, but when mom and wife are the definition of “sang”, you could only imagine!
Well TF you are right about Trinh Cong Son. Nhung ma moi nhac si deu co cai so truong va dac tinh rieng cua ho. Chac em con tre hon nhung nguoi nhu PTN hay TF or Donny nen khong biet nhieu bang nhung cung co vai nhan xet rieng. (Im 25 by the way).
Vi du nhu triet ly ve con nguoi thi TCS la dien hinh. Nhung ve phan nhac ly cua TCS thi khong duoc phong phu cho lam.
Van Cao (one of my fav) thi loi le sang trong va thanh tao. Nhac dieu thi du duong va nhe nhang.
Pham Duy (the best overall to me)thi da dang, tu hung ca, tinh ca, nhac que huong, dao ca, be ca, vv…so many great songs and he contributes many new things into vietnamese music from Western music.
Lam Phuong thi loi le moc mat va binh dan…nhung khong sen’.
Just a few of my more liked writers and what i think of their style. I guess i’m just trying to say that NTM has his own style and choice of words/lyrics. You might not like it as much…but i still think hes great. My Vietnamese is not that great so when i heard you said the word “sao ngu” …it sounds like something faking so i felt like you didnt do him justice. I grew up in US but i love viet music, esp nhac tien chien, so i want to learn more and hope you guys share your knowledge with me. Thanks.
Dear Langtula:
Trước tiên, cả TF và rất nhiều người đang đồng ý với em về vị trí âm nhạc của NTM là lớn trong nền âm nhạc Việt đấy chứ!
Anh yêu nhạc NTM lắm!
Nhưng, ngay cả với người thân trong gia đình hay người mình yêu, mình vẫn cần cân nhắc, tỉnh táo trao đổi và thậm chí phê bình khi nhận thấy có vấn đề. Ví dụ như anh đồng ý với Langtula về “giai điệu” (mà em dùng từ “nhạc lý”) của TCS không rộng lắm. Và nếu em lưu ý, anh trọng nhạc Trịnh vô cùng!
Theo anh hiểu, “sáo ngữ” không có nghĩa là “dùng ngôn ngữ và hình tượng nghe qua thì rất kêu mà bên trong thì rỗng tuếch”. Sáo ngữ đơn giản nghĩa là những đoạn đã được dùng lặp đi lặp lại nhiều lần nên trở thành nhàm chán! Nếu anh không sai, anh nghĩ TF có ý nhận xét (mà nhận xét có đúng, có sai) rằng NTM lắm lúc dùng từ quá đậm, chất chiu, cao siêu hoặc thái quá (nghĩa: quá mức) thôi! Chứ thật ra, đã là từ ngữ Việt, từ nào cũng có nghĩa hết!
Langtula: Em, anh và rất nhiều người trong diễn đàn giá trị này của Visualgui, đa số ở nước ngoài nhiều hơn quê nhà, nên chắc chắn rất nhiều thâm hụt khi dùng ngôn ngữ mình! Hãy tiếp tục mỉm cười và cùng anh cố gắng nhé!
Đó là điều quan trọng nhất mà đời sống xứ người lấy đi của Langtula và của anh đấy! Và hãy cùng nhau tiến tiếp! Anh tin, khi đam mê, yêu thương vô điều kiện và thuộc về, mình sẽ làm tốt thôi.
Nhưng anh vẫn rất quyến rũ bởi những đoạn viết bằng tiếng Anh sâu sắc – bắt gặp trong blog của Doanh! Quả thật, khi đó, ngôn ngữ không biến giới!
Langtula: Nhieu nguoi trong gioi am nhac goi treu TCS la “Trinh Mi thu”. Chinh ong da tung noi ong khong co can ban nhac ly nhieu. Da so nguoi ta ham mo nhac ong don thuan vi chat tho. Rieng toi, khong hieu sao toi van rat yeu nhung giai dieu ay. Co le trong nhung van tho da co san chat nhac roi.
NTM hay hon khi ong khong qua “dieu”. Nhung bai duoc coi la tuyet tac cua ong neu khong pho tho Nguyen Sa thi loi le tuong doi nhe nhang (nhung hoan toan khong kem phan “sang”, Tinh Khuc Mua Xuan la mot dien hinh). Toi ghet cay ghet dang cai dieu cua con nguoi, mac du nhieu luc chinh minh cung vap phai.
Thuc ra Pham Duy pho tho nguoi khac rat nhieu. Cai hay cua PD la ong khong nhat thiet phai go bo theo suy nghi cua nhung nha ay trong loi sap xep (arrangement). Nhieu luc ong dung cam “tuong” vao mot vai cau cua chinh minh (trong Tinh Cam, ong dam “luom” hinh anh “may bang bac” cua Thanh Tinh de phet them mot doan, nghe cung hay hay).
Chi co Van Cao la dat duoc dinh cao trong ca hai lanh vuc. Cai toi than phuc nhat ve cac nhac si tien chien la cai cao sang cua ho trong nhung thoi ki kho khan den toi nhat. Ho chinh la nhung petite bourgeoisie chan that.
Theo toi, kha nang tieng Viet cua Langtula khong kem nhieu nguoi song ca doi o VN. No noi len su giao duc cua gia dinh va chinh minh.
Xin loi ong ban Donny! Mot lan nua nhung ong gan chung toi lai lam lac de het chuong trinh cua ban. Theo toi nho thi hinh nhu minh dang noi chuyen ve mot anh van cong Bac Ky nao do. =)
BTW Langtula, ton tho toi qua! Minh cung gan cung trang lua thoi.
Talking about music is never off topic, keep the discussion alive. Only one comment really off-topic and I just pulled the weed.
Anh Nhien,
Rat ngac nhien khi nghe su dinh nghia tu “sáo ngữ – những đoạn đã được dùng lặp đi lặp lại nhiều lần nên trở thành nhàm chán ” thot tu anh Nhien. Minh co the sai nhung cai hieu ve tu nay giong nhu anh TF….nhieu nguoi dung tu moi la, bong bay tuong cao sieu nhung nghe lai rong toet doi luc thanh vo nghia.
Rieng ve dep va sang trong trong moi nguoi deu co cach nhin khac nhau, nhung gi anh nhan set ve Y lan va Thanh Lam co cai minh van khong cam duoc o 2 nguoi nay.
Y Lan : be ngoai tam dep, long lay, sang trong nhat la biet lam duyen lam dang….giong noi tuong tu gan nhu di doi voi ben ngoai…nguoc lai giong hat co sang nhung lai bi pha khi co co tao cai duyen dang va nuc no nhieu tu phac am khong chuan va hoi “sen” tuong tu nhu “Vu Khanh”.
Thanh Lam – mot trong nhung ca si khong moi nhung khong vao dang chi….co cach hat rat boc lo, ky thuat cam xuc het minh nhung phat am va giong noi hoi la voi rieng minh…..day la da so cac ca si Ha Noi sau nay minh rat thich nhieu giong hat tu ngoai Bac nhung giong noi van thay la la ( khong sang )
giong hat sang va cach noi sang trong van la cac ca si dang chi Khanh Ly, Le Thu hay Ngoc Lan.
Dear anh Trung Vuong:
Thật ra, trong lúc máy móc làm việc vào đêm khuya, bên cạnh những cuốn từ điển dày cộm, Nhiên đã mò tìm định nghĩa chính xác của “sáo ngữ” bằng từ điển đấy!
Nhiên đã quote lại từng từ theo cuốn Từ Điển Tiếng Việt (Trung Tâm Khoa Học Xã Hội Nhân Văn Quốc Gia).
http://www.vinabook.com/tu-dien-tieng-viet-m11i20371.html
Sách cũng có thể sai phải không Trung Vuong? Điều này cho chúng ta thấy – có những từ dường như rất đơn giản, nghe qua nhiều lần mà vẫn có khi mỗi người hiểu kiểu khác. Nhiên sẽ cố tìm thêm, bên cạnh chia sẻ của TF, Trung Vuong, những giải thích từ các tài liệu khác về “sáo ngữ” nhé!
Chúc Trung Vuong một CN đẹp!
Dear TF:
Có mây bàng bạc gây thương nhớ
Có ánh trăng vàng soi giấc mơ
Có anh ngồi lại so phím cũ
Mong chờ em hát khúc xuân xưa
Là những từ chính xác của thi sĩ Hoàng Cầm đấy chứ! Phạm Duy không sửa chút nào trong đoạn này!
Bạn nghĩ gì về “ngày tháng tỳ bà vương ánh nguyệt”?
Cam on Chi Nhien da giai thich tan tuong cua tu “sáo ngữ” noi co mach sach co chung. Cuoc doi bao gio minh cung co nhieu dieu can hoc hoi.
Mot lan nua hat ham mo tai giai thich cua chi.
Tannie :) You are so so clever with your words ! I enjoy reading your comments as always.
Anh Nhien:
Anh la mot trong rat nhieu nguoi da nham lan bai tho va loi ban nhac. Khong hieu sao co vai websites in luon loi ban nhac va goi do la bai tho HC. Tinh Cam cung khong phai ten that cua bai tho do. Ten nguyen thuy la …Neu Anh Con Tre.
That ra cau “ngay thang ti ba vuong anh nguyet” cung do ho Pham “phang” dai thoi. Co rat nhieu tranh cai ve cau nay. TF nghi co 2 gia thuyet: 1. PD cung tran tuc nhu ai, nen luc bi loi “ran” dai vai chu. 2. Neu that su co y nghia gi do cao tham, co le ong am chi cai nham chan cua su doi cho dai dang. Ti ba thuong di voi anh nguyet, nhung chu “vuong” o day khong nhat thiet nghia la “van vuong” ma co le la su thua mua vuong vai. Thu hoi dem nao cung tinh cam nho thuong duoi anh trang, khong chan sao duoc? Nguy bien ti ma.
Day la nguyen van bai Neu Anh Con Tre trong chuong Tinh Xua cua tho tinh Hoang Cam (1941):
Neu anh con tre nhu nam ay
Quyet don em ve song voi anh
Nhung khoang chieu buon pho phat la
Anh dan em hat niu xuan xanh
Nhung thuyen em buoc sai duyen kiep
Anh luy doi quen ben khoi suong
Nam thang…
Nam cung
Mo cach biet
Bao gio em het no Tam duong
Neu co ngay mai anh tro got
Quay ve lang dang ben song xa
Thi em con day hay dau mat
Cuoi xom buon teo mot tieng ga….
Cai buon cuoi la website con dich ra Anh Ngu (Cam’s Love, ho khong biet la PD choi chu o tua de do minh dat ra vi Cam con co nghia la dan). Tac gia vo tinh doc duoc, chac cung chi biet “im lang tho dai”.
Anh nghi gi vi hien tuong La Dieu Bong vai nam truoc? Hoang Cam da mang PD khong tiec loi. Huyen thoai PD sup do mot phan trong TF khi ong mo mieng noi la cay Dieu Bong moc nhieu o quanh lang Dinh Bang.
Dear TF:
Không, riêng Nhiên thôi, không có nhiều người nhầm đâu!
Nhiên tin là nếu ai đó lưu ý rõ ràng thì họ sẽ biết giống TF biết; hoặc nếu không, không biết tất!
Nhiên sai nhé, dù rằng một người bạn Nhiên quý đã hơn 2 lần chia sẻ bài thơ “Nếu Anh Còn Trẻ” với anh! Nhờ TF, Nhiên lại thấy có tội với người bạn ấy! Smile! :)
Kinh CHI Trung Vuong: “Thanh Lam – mot trong nhung ca si khong moi nhung khong vao dang chi….co cach hat rat boc lo, ky thuat cam xuc het minh nhung phat am va giong noi hoi la voi rieng minh…”
Em co quen mot co ban cua TL. That ra co ay goc mien Trung (DN). CHI nhay ben lam!
“Ngày tháng tỳ bà vương ánh nguyệt
Mộng héo bên sông vẫn đợi chờ”
Anh Nhiên, I don’t think you can separate these 2 sentences, they have to go together. I think this is PD missing his lover and the good time that they had together.
@ TF “Em như một nụ hồng cầu mong chẳng lạnh lùng” As I understand it: Em đẹp như một nụ hồng, anh mong em không phải là một người lạnh lùng” does that make sense?
I think NTM’s music is easier to understand compare to TCS’s music. I swear there some of TCS’s lyrics makes me so puzzled. It might be because I don’t have enough life experiences to understand what he meant. However, the uniqueness of TCS’s music is that you don’t really need to understand it all the way to be able to appreciate of how great it is.
“Lòng tôi có đôi lần khép cửa
rồi bên vết thương tôi quì
vì em đã mang lời khấn nhỏ
bỏ tôi đứng bên đời kia”
Again, so dificult to understand, yet sounds so good.
@son doan: I have no problems with what the verse literally means. Here are the things:
1. The grammar is incorrect. NTM should have used “dung” instead of “chang”. When pleading for something, “chang” is inappropriate (xin ong dung giet toi vs. xin ong chang giet toi, xin dung bo toi vs. xin chang bo toi, xin dung lanh lung vs. xin chang lanh lung). Chang could also be used in conditioned clauses (mua toi cha/chang ve = mua thi toi khong ve…) “Dung” also could have sounded better with the melody also. I think he knew that, but vanity took over and he chose “chang” just to throw people off.
2. other problem is the content. If roses had been the symbols of iciness/coldness, the verse would have been awesome. To my knowledge, that’s not what roses are known for. My real beef is with how guys have gushed over a verse that was no more than a space-filler.
“Lòng tôi có đôi lần khép cửa
rồi bên vết thương tôi quì
vì em đã mang lời khấn nhỏ
bỏ tôi đứng bên đời kia”
Theo lời của một ông bạn tại Đà Lạt, câu hát (thơ) này của Trịnh đã được bầu là câu thơ hay nhất của một giải Viết nào đó thuộc các nước Đông Nam Á trong 1990′s. Mình chưa kiểm chứng, nhưng hay thật!
Mưa…
“Hãy nhìn Thanh Lam, nghệ sĩ Lê Khanh là hai ví dụ của sự sang trọng! Riêng Thanh Lam, giọng nói, hát và ứng xử của cô đều ở cùng một đẳng cấp, không chênh”
very well said!
are you from VN cuz your Vnese is excellent???
You don’t have to be wise and have much experience in life in order to understand Trinh Cong Son’s lyrics, the key is to be emotionally intelligent, and places no boundary on your ability to conceive despair or happiness so that they become depthless…I perfectly understand every Trinh Cong Son’s song that I’ve heard, nhu canh vac bay, dem thay ta la thac do, phuc am buon etc…they’re usally very conceptual more so than emotive. Most song writers these days try to express emotions in their songs, but because emotions are such human basic instinct, that why it sounds so simple and dull…a good song writer will be able to entertwine both the conceptual and emotional aspects. Plus Trinh Cong Son’s writing skill was probably inspired mostly by the war and Vietnam’s revolution at the time.
In my opinion, Ngo Thuy Mien’s songs are usually very romantically descriptive, but they lack interesting concepts and ideas, at least he’s much a better writer than Trinh Lam, Tung Chau, Hoai An, Truc Ho…but then again, people tends to like things that they can understand, for example, Donny (and other millions of people) loved that Slumdog Millionaire film which I find very cheesy and choreographed. The first half of the film was beautiful because it captures the colourful slumdog scences of India and the children performances were natural, but halfway through the adult performances were so bad and choreographed and very cheesy dialogues…I have no idea why it’s been nominated for the OSCAR best picture, whereas ‘Milk’ is so poetic and beautifully filmed, although the concept isn’t original, but it makes you feel good because of the humanity triumphant potrayal. But out of the two films, slumdog millionaire is more emotionally provocative and there’re less to think about in comparison to Milk.
Pop Me Up, interesting enough both Slumdog and Milk released at the same time. We were going to see both but somehow we didn’t get a chance to see Milk so I am not goint to comment on that. Yes like millions of people and Oscar included, I love Slumpdog and I think it should be nominated for best picture. :)
Pham Thien Nhien, I was watching an interview with Ngo Quang Minh on VNCR Radio (it’s quite a boring conversation), but I remember his face on Thuy Nga’s Talent Show. He didn’t make it very far but I still recall his deep, charming baritone. He is going to be at “Giu Doi Cho Nhau” with the Friends. I am glad to see that The Friends has picked him up. I think he has potential. What do you think of him?
Oh my God everyone talking about lacking conceptual ideas and overtly literal expressive writting style ! Help me! I will be performing “Nua Vang Trang” and “Tinh con vuong van” with Trinh Lam next Saturday. At the practice session Sunday, the guys in my band told me I sing so “sen” that it gave them “goose bump” !
This is what I am talking about guys. Do you know just how many people love these 2 songs ? :) Good thing is I am going to follow these two songs with a TCS medley as usual but this time it will be very sad song about life and death (Mot coi di ve/ phoi pha/Dem thay ta la thac do). Last year I also did a medley of famous classic songs and it was a big hit. It’s just difficult to do just a type of songs when you are entertaining short of “lam dau tram ho”. This time my band has recruited an awesome guitarist and I will be singing alot Santana and Chuck Berry songs. I will give a different twist to those Santana which was meant for a man to sing. I will also be covering some of the Beatles best hits ala rock and roll style. Hey Donny doesn’t that sounds enticing ? So far 300 tickets already sold in advance. Donny are you and Dana feel like taking a break from working on the house and join us?
Thu Hoai, is it this coming Sat or next Sat?
This Saturday on the 2/21/09 starts at about 630 / 7 Pm. The organizer loves Thu Hoai’s singing style and he is making me sing with Trinh Lam :) I told TL to choose the songs since I know alot of songs and I got what I was afraid I am going to get when I asked TL to choose LOL but it’s all good. It’s good to be able to perform different types of music.
As long as everyone is pleased I am all for it. I feel really good about this show because more than half of the people going to the show doesn’t even know Trinh Lam will be the featured “pro artist from Thuy Nga”. They are going there just expecting only Thu Hoai and my band LOL. The thing is Trinh Lam will be singing alot of the songs Thu Hoai already sang last year. So this year Thu Hoai will try a different approach to make it more exciting. The band will have a “rock flavor” this year as a result.
I am liking the song I just finished rehearsing call “biet khuc” by the writer mr. Nguyen anh 9. I am loving the lyrics so much .. So
Dear Doanh:
Mình nghĩ Ngô Quang Minh nên dạo chơi hay hơn là len lỏi vào giới nghệ, Doanh ạ! Giọng hát tầm tầm ít hồn (vì NQM không dám toát cái khả năng mạnh mẽ của tận đáy.) Hay Ngô Quang Minh còn đang e ngại và chưa muốn bộc tả những cái thuộc về bản năng chăng? Nhóm The Friends là sân chơi cho Ngô Quang Minh tha thiết với đam mê âm nhạc của mình. Nhưng đi xa hơn, không nên. NQM đã đến ngưỡng cửa của khoảng thời gian xác định sự thành đạt của một người đàn ông, lần mò leo mãi để mà làm gì? Cứ như thân phụ mẫu của NQA, một bác sĩ, một y tá và có tâm hồn đam mê nhạc, vẫn “đắt” hơn.
Ngô Quang Minh là một ví dụ của một bạn có tâm hồn nhưng hát chưa có hồn.
Nhân đây, sẵn Doanh phê bình cuộc đối thoại giữa Vũ Chung và NQM nghe chán chán, Nhiên đồng ý! Ngoại trừ những người ở đỉnh cao (i.e., Khánh Ly, Ý Lan, Khánh Hà…) vì họ biết họ có “giá”, mình thấy các nhân vật còn lại khi xuất hiện trên video clips/TVs/Radios…ai cũng có vẻ sợ sệt và căng thẳng. Điều này làm mất đi cái phần thoáng mà lẽ ra tâm hồn nghệ sĩ phải đem tới cho người theo dõi. Ngô Quang Minh cứ y như một cậu học trò trả bài mà run quá nên cứ linh tinh. Trong “Giữ Đời Cho Nhau” – NQM sẽ hát 2 bài khá “lớn” – mình sẽ mở rộng vòng tay chờ xem NQM ứng xử thế nào?
Đề nghị SBTN nên làm việc với Giáng Ngọc để cô bé nói chuyện có nội dung và biết mình đang nói về “nội dung” gì! Thoăn thoắt, chả hiểu đang nghe phỏng vấn hay quảng cáo siêu thị Saigon City Market Place (4 đồng 99 cents 1 pound). Xong!
Dear Pop Me Up:
Bạn viết rất hay về phần cảm nhận của bạn với dòng nhạc TCS. Mình không thể nào không đồng ý với bạn.
Dear Thu Hoài:
Khi hát Phôi Pha, đến đoạn “thôi về đi đường trần đâu có gì…” anh mong em day dứt lên như kéo người ta ở lại – dù “đường trần…đâu có gì thật”. Hãy hát và quên đi rằng em đã vừa hát xong “Nửa Vầng Trăng” & “Tình Còn Vương Vấn” nhé!
Chúc đêm nhạc thành công.
Anh Nhien oi, Nua vang trang thi OK nhung TH khong may comfortable voi “Tinh con vuong van” nhung du sau cung lam cho organzier vui thoi chu chac gi TL thich song ca voi ca si “vuon nha” nhu Thu Hoai fai khong?
Phoi pha is one of TH ‘s many favorite songs.
That ra hat may bai buon la Th’s specialty nhung vi ly do ma Th hat nhac dut gan la vi nhu cau ba con doi hoi..
Th nghi lam ca si met nhoc lam… It’s hard to trust anyone and it’s just seems so superficial. Luc nao cung fai dep, luc nao cung fai diet. Di hat moi cuoi tuan met lam. Th chi di 3 tieu bang thoi ma met du roi.. neu di airplane ma luc nao cung fai so bi crash cang thang lam.. voi lai… hat o trong casino cho nguoi ta mua vui dau co gi la suong dau. Casino/ night club dau fai la cho ideal cho ca si hat. Tha rang minh hat local ma duoc ba con ham mo con hon fai too much pressure. Actually neu nhu Th lam ca si professional thi se bi that nghiep dai dai vi Th khong co thich hat night club or casino. Wedding singing coi vay ma cung duoc lam vi nhung nguoi hire Thu Hoai deu rat thich minh nen coi cung nhu la mot mini show vui ve va Th free to be creative.
Phoi pha /Mot coi di ve.. may nam truoc that ra Thu Hoai chua dam hat may bai nay vi minh chua co tham duoc nhung nam nay co le Th da cam duoc bai hat va co le se hat voi tat ca cam xuc. Wow.. khong ngo minh viet van VN cung sap sua hay bang anh Nhien roi ! :)
Heh such a heated debate :)
I am so impress by all the intellectual that you seem to attract around here Donny. My take on this is somewhere along the with pop me up. I think because of his styles NMT is a lot more liberal than most in his choice of words. As long as you know the rules you can break ‘em right? :)
I personally like NTM music though I am no longer a fan after I heard about his so called religious conversion.
In previous posts of this thread, lots have been discussed about “quê” accent. Well, I believe it’s not “quê” as such, but more likely to be …. “heavy doze of new northern accent”.
The old (pre 1954) northern accent was that from Hanoi region, and we can still hear that kind of accent from singers like Khánh Ly, Lệ Thu, Tuấn Ngọc, Vũ Khanh etc.
But after 1954, ie. after a high percentage of Hanoians left the City, people from the surrounding country regions started to move into Hanoi, and over the years, the accent gradually evolved to become more high pitched, squeaky.
While the old northern accent is generally accepted as the “giọng chuẩn” in singing, the new northern accent (post 1954) can be somewhat less pleasant to hear (when singing) when it is too heavily accentuated.
Examples of famous VN singers with “heavy doze of new northern accent” are Bằng Kiều, Tùng Dương, and perhaps Hồng Nhung, Trần Thu Hà, Thu Minh to a certain extent, etc. While other divas such as Mỹ Linh, Thanh Lam appear to apply a more classic northern accent in their singing.
@32
Hi Thu Hoai
Can’t book international flight over to attend your show … so will have to miss it this time !! ;-)
But curious to find out what numbers of Santana, Chuck Berry and Beatles you are going to perform?
Re Santana, their best stuffs are actually from their early albums in the early 70′s. Most are instrumental. So if you choose one of those Santana trademark numbers, you only have to sing few sentences per song, and leave it to the Carlos in the band to do the rest :-)
Cheers
Dear Hoang:
“Religious conversion”? Hoang giải thích thêm điều này đi! Cảm tạ!
agree with PTN on #35. nhac cua Ngo thuy mien cho du pho tho cua nguoi khac, nhung van co cai hay rieng, nghe tho mong, nhe nhang, nhac pho tho nhu Ao Lua Ha Dong, Tuoi 13 thich hop voi cap tinh nhan nghe nhac poetic, light hearted and cute,nhac NTM co the thuong thuc ban ngay. of course nhac TCS la hay roi, nhung neu muon thuong thuc nhac TCS cho “phe” thi thich hop nhat la luc dem khuya, thao thuc mot minh co le luc do moi “feel” vi nhac TCS co triet ly sau sac
moi moi nguoi nghe Duy Trac hat Ao Lua Ha Dong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62FNDV5bElg&feature=channel_page
Hi ThuHoai, we can’t make it this weekend either. The house still needs work. We need to move fast to move in before the end of March. Besides, we would love to hear you sing, but don’t want to be tortured by Trinh Lam. :)
Donny I will miss you guys but yeah lots of my friends feel same too LOL…
@40 To Duong,
Hi there Are you from the Austria.
Re: Santana songs, yes you are right about it’s mostly instrumental and that is the exact reason why I am singing it. The reason is that I just recruited an awesome guitarist so I want to show off his hotness !
The songs I will be performing are:
Oye Como Va – With the extra lyrics in the new version.
Black Magic woman- Singing with my brother. I ‘ve never done it before but I will feature him with 4 pretty girls dancing and I will do the improvisation for him between lines.
Evil ways- It sounded really good at practice session even though it’s man song.
Johnny Be Good- Chuck Berry yeah an awesome song love it. I love this old man.
I love the Beatles and so I will cover the songs “I saw her standing”, “Twist and shout”
We also be playing “La bamba” in Spanish along with Besame Mucho in Spanish. LOL I had to really brush up my Spanish quick.
I will do a song call “Sweet dreams” by the Eurythmics but it will be more “rock” style
and we are doing all the solos with the guitar. LOL it sounded so cool at practice I am really excited that I will open the show with this song.
I am so lucky I have a great band behind me and they are great at doing all the harmonizing and backing me up so I am free to do the riffs and runs. I am presenting the band and myself with a different sound, look this time since we have Trinh Lam singing all Vietnamese songs already.
I am so excited that I can sing Feulles mortes and Paroles Paroles originally done by Edith Pilaf and Dadida in French finally LOL. It’s so much better in French than in Vietnamese and English for sure.
The only Vietnamese song that I will be singing at the show that isn’t cheesy is “Ao Lua Ha Dong” and LK Trinh Cong Son and a song call “Biet Khuc” by Nguyen Anh Chin.
The rest are songs sung by Minh Tuyet, Bang Kieu.
The friends /people that are attending the show last year was upset and they were complaining I didn’t sing enough songs. LOL
I already sang like 16 songs total for the night. I don’t know what to say because I am the only one in the band that can sing all the beats /rhythm so they always pulls me out and make me sing.
I am so glad I got a guitarist on top of the keybroad players so he can do all the solo to help me out.
You know what I am so thankful to be able to do what I am doing.. singing with a passion.. giving people a relaxing moment at this stage of my life.. LOL with the kids and everything. .. I am thankful to have friends gather around and hear us play music.
I would love to see everyone here at visual if possible one day. :)
Have a wonderful day !
Dear Thu Hoai:
Chính xác là Nguyễn Ánh 9. Đó là sự đặc biệt của một tên gọi, phải không em?
Anh thích một cái tên nữa: Nguyễn Xinh Xô!
Dear Nguoinghe:
Link Duy Trác bạn gửi hay lắm. Duy Trác hát êm ả thật, bạn nhỉ? Khi ông hát “Đừng Lừa Dối Nhau” (Y Vân), mình như bị phủ phục dưới câu nhắn nhủ ông ấy!
Yes, Anh Nhien.. TH rat thich nhung bai cua ong nhac si nay. Hau nhu la bai nao cua ong ay TH cung hat rat de, de lot lo tay ma khong can rehearse nhieu. Giong nhu hoi nho xiu TH da hat bai “buon oi, chao mi” hoac “co don”. Nhung bai cua ong ta nhap hon TH rat mau nen hat khong dot gi van nghe co hon.
Day la con gai cua nhac si Ng anh 9 in VN.
It’s such a great clip. I love it. She is very good at violin.
enjoy it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3tjPyXp5ek
Another song I love.
blue Danube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtruS1pg0xY&feature=related
Cảm ơn Thu Hoài nhiều:
Một gia đình nhiều tài năng âm nhạc! Nhiên có dịp 1 lần tiếp xúc và trao đổi với Nguyễn Quang, con trai NA9. Tốt thôi!
Nếu có môi trường (nói thẳng là tài chánh), Nguyễn Quang có thể bay cao xa hơn.
You are welcome ! :)
Troi hom nay lanh qua. TH quit nursing roi anh Nhien oi. Bay gio ranh roi ngoi nghe nhac va tap hat rat tuyet. :) May thang roi TH quit job roi, nghi choi o nha, exercise , nghe nhac va chi cho may chau di hoc, di tap the thao thoi..nhung chac fai di lam lai thoi vi TH bat dau cam thay “vo dung” :)
TH nghe noi o VN co nhieu phong tra piano rat la thu vi. Nghe ban be ke co nhieu nhac si / ca si unknown hat rat tot.
Dear Thu Hoài:
Saigon (chưa xa đã nhớ) có: Acoustic, Mộc Nhạc, Nếp, Khúc Ban Chiều, Đồng Dao (Pasteur) là những nơi đáng để tới lui, gởi gấm cảm xúc.
Đà Lạt: Cung Tơ Chiều, Mộc, Dương Tùng.
Huế: Serenade (Imperial Hotel), Serenade (Nguyễn Công Trứ), Mục Đồng, Xưa, Piano.
Hà Nội: Tất cả những gì liên quan đến Trịnh và hoa sữa…nồng nàn!
Anh Nhiên,
Em đồng ý Giáng Ngọc có lối nói chuyện đôi khi cứ như đi ăn cướp ấy, mà cũng không có duyên mấy. Em chỉ thích GN trong mấy vở kịch hài của VS hồi xửa hồi xưa thôi. Coi bộ anh cũng ăn chơi giữ há, biết nhiều chỗ ở VN quá. Mỗi lần nhắc tới VN là em lại nhớ tới mấy câu của Hồ Dzếnh:
“Nhớ nhà châm điếu thuốc
Khói huyền bay lên mây”
Có điều em không hút thuốc.
Dear Son Doan:
Giáp Tết vừa rồi, anh có ghé vào một nhà người thân nấu bánh chưng. Ngồi đấy mà thấy xa xa có những mái nhà khác có “châm điếu thuốc” thật em ạ – hình ảnh thiêng liêng vô cùng, có dân tộc mình mới có.
Với ai, quê hương phải là điều to lớn lắm. Với riêng mình, một đám lửa nhỏ & “khói huyền bay lên cây” thôi – đã là một bầu trời quê hương rồi đấy!
Anh cũng không hút thuốc (mặc dù đề tài này chả liên quan gì đến Hồ Dzến của Son Doan).
@45
Hi Thu Hoai
That sounds great and you guys rock!
You guys seem to be really into rock’n'roll , which is a pleasant surprise to me – because from what I have seen, the Viet communities overseas are not normally wrapped in rock’n'roll. They tend to be more comfortable with eg. bolero, rumba, cha cha cha, tango, waltz tunes so that they can do a bit of communal dancing. So your “drive” for rock’n'roll is somewhat a “break through” to me.
Great that you guys found a Vietnamese Carlos Santana, who is inspirational – still collecting Granny awards at his old age!
No surprise that BMW is included in the repertoire. This must be one of the most popular Santana numbers being played at Viet clubs and weddings. But I hope you guys play that for the love or art, and not because of filling the needs for the community to do cha cha cha on the floor with that song :-) My daughter was a very keen dancer, and had formal training in dancing. She asked me this innocent question at a Vietnamese wedding when BMW was played and everyone rushed onto the floor to do cha cha cha … moving forwards and backwards in unison : “What are they doing dad? Is that a form of in Vietnamese line dancing?”. She was intrigued because our Vietnamese cha cha cha dance is very different from the rest of the world :-)
And yep, I’m from the land of downunder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNT7uZf7lew :-)
PTN,
Regarding the religious conversion comment, I was thinking of another composer, namely Vu Thanh An, when I response to the message. I double check with my wife this morning and it seem that my memory has betrayed me :). I am sorry about the mix up.
@Hoang: What’s your problem with VTA’s conversion? Do I detect an anti-Catholic sentiment in you? It’s surprising that there still exists this kind of hatred. One’s spirituality should always be respected.
Dear Hoàng: Đó là lý do tại sao Nhiên hỏi lại (vì biết Hoàng nhầm).
TF,
I don’t have any grudge against Catholic in particular. I am just anti religion in general. Granted, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Religions bring people together to do many wondrous creation and, on that same token, enormous destruction as well. Therefore I am not impress.
Secondly religious fanatics tend to believe almost anything as long as it’s in the name of their god. Many people will try to capitalize on their believe. Hence authenticity of one affiliation with a particular religious also come into question.
Like I said in my comment I am no longer a fan. I didn’t say it’s a bad thing… It’s his choice and it’s my choice, no hard feeling.
PTN, :) Always good to be reminded!
Anyways back to the subject of music that’s why I am always so impress of TCS work. For example his song “Noi vong tay lon” is such a beautiful song on every level because it reach out across all boundary. I think somebody post this link here before
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbYVp6s-6_Q
To anh PTN,
You are a wealth of knowledge! I love reading your posts and others too of course :)
To Hoang,
I love VTA’s music and most of all his recent works after conversion to Catholicism.
The man is very special I talented and I love his spirits and I am taken by his inspiration.
Even as a Catholic myself I agree with you that religion is sometimes the reasons for wars because of human’s evil spirits
TF, yes all religions should be respected, easy to say than done though.
Duong, oh yes “Men at work” ! I used to love this song back in middle school years…love it.. thanks for the link.
Oh yes, I think VN dancing chachacha is so strange. It’s so boring but I guess it’s hard to do all that stuff if you don’t take lessons or practice. LOL that’s why I like to dance chachacha by myself most of the time cause I like to do my own stuff. :)
I do all shorts of crazy movements :) I like to dance with my 13 y/o daughter because she has gymnastic and lyrical dancing background too :) I was going to feature her in the song “Nua Vang Trang” with Trinh Lam in the coming up show but my family advise me not too expose her too soon. LOL my parents didn’t want me to sing in public until I had all my 3 children. I started singing publicly after my son turned 3 years old !
Yeah, the song BMW is very popular and since my brother sings so well (he cann’t sing any Vietnamese :( ) we decided to do it with the backup and all to make it more spicy.
Yeah I like rock and roll because it’s fun to sing. I also like alot of older singers like Tony Bennette , Chuck Berry and believe it or not Tom Jones :) who is still very good at his old age! And who can forget to add my girl Tina Turner. We may do her version of Proud Mary if we have time brush up before the show.
@Hoang, There’s a little fact I think you should know: TCS practiced Zen Bhudism. He was also a big fan of Christianity philosophy. His later (and considered by many his very best) works were frequently infused with images from some form of spirituality (Doa Hoa Vo Thuong, Thua Bong La Nguoi, Nay Em Co Nho….)
VTA’s was a story of enlightenment during the worst of time (and he was too shameful of what happened prior to the event to mention it to anyone). I think you would change your mind if you find out what really happened.
With the exception of Islam (which BTW was a product of fierce Middle-Eastern nationalism), politics, not religion, is behind all the destruction in this world. The Catholic church’s past sins were driven by political and economic ambitions.
There are fanatics in atheism too. There’s a sizable difference b/w not believing and not respecting what others do. Peace!
Ashamed…not shameful…excused my bad English!
Damn TF, I am really curious to know your age!!
Tell me more about VTA. I like him and his writting. What really happened to him that he was so shameful?
I like his songs “Doi da vang” and “Rung rung le” very much.
TH, :) I think you are very special and talented! Good to see that your daughter is taking after you.
TF,
Beside Zen Buddhism I would say that TCS is better identified with Deism than Christianity. You are right; most of the problems with religion are driven by political ambition. But that’s the exact reason why organize religion frighten me because often than not religion and politic go hand in hand.
Religion is not bad, nor good, in of itself. I see it as a messenger to promote the underlying philosophy of love, peace and compassion. If we focus on the message the messenger fade into the background and become irrelevance. Regardless of religion anyone can live their life base on the principle of love and compassion got my respect.
If you personally know VTA and you can say that he is a man of grace and compassion then I’ll be more than happy to stand corrected. From what I’ve seen of him I personally feel that he focus more on the messenger than the message, hence I remain doubtful of his authenticity. Again, I’ll be more than happy to stand corrected and if he reached the point of enlightenment that’s even better!
@61
Hi TF, you seemed to know the sad twist behind VTA turning Christian.
Our family more or less had first hand knowledge – as my brother was exactly in the same camp at the time … But all put behind and life goes on …
Dear Son Doan #53:
Đi như “đi ăn cướp” là đi như thế nào nhỉ?
Dear Thu Hoài:
TF gọi Nhiên bằng anh, và có lần, TF thổ lộ rằng cùng độ tuổi với “Langtula” (i.e., 26-30).
Bên cạnh Đời Đá Vàng, Rưng Rưng Lệ, Anh Đến Thăm Em Đêm 30, 10 Bài Không Tên, anh yêu tột độ “Tình Khúc Thứ Nhất” (lời: Nguyễn Đình Toàn). Một bài hát đầy màu sắc bởi giai điệu + ca từ.
Đôi khi, để thật sự yêu hoặc không yêu một tâm hồn, hãy thức dậy thật sớm, đi uống cùng tâm hồn ấy một ly cafe sáng, ăn một tô phở trưa, đi ra biển dạo vòng quanh, tối về ngồi đánh Poker (trong sòng bạc, người ta sẽ toát ra hết những hay/dở đấy) và ngủ cạnh bên một đêm (ngủ một cách nghiêm túc). Sau đó, có yêu hay không, cũng chưa muộn. Với âm nhạc, đặc biệt là với người viết nhạc, mình xin lấy “sản phẩm” (songs) của họ, là những người đi bên cạnh mình và làm những điều kể trên!
Duong & TF I guess you two don’t want to mention VTA’s twist in this forum but from
what I heard, when he was in the concentration camp, having a strong faith helped VTA with his hardship.
Dear anh Nhiên
Là đi nhanh, vội vả và chụp giựt. Đúng không?
Dear Son Doan:
Anh chỉ hỏi để biết được “cảm giác” của người “đi ăn cướp” thôi! :) Cười đi!
Bên cạnh Đời Đá Vàng, Rưng Rưng Lệ, AĐTE Đêm 30, 10 Bài Không Tên, mình bị quyến rũ bởi “Tình Khúc Thứ Nhất” (lời: Nguyễn Đình Toàn). Một bài hát đầy màu sắc cả giai điệu lẫn ca từ.
Đôi khi, để thật sự yêu hoặc không yêu một tâm hồn, hãy thức dậy thật sớm, đi uống cùng tâm hồn ấy một ly cafe sáng, ăn một tô phở trưa, đi ra biển dạo vòng quanh, tối về ngồi đánh Poker (trong sòng bạc, người ta sẽ toát ra hết những sáng/tối đấy) và ngủ cạnh bên một đêm (ngủ một cách nghiêm túc). Sau đó, có yêu hay không, cũng chưa muộn. Với âm nhạc, đặc biệt là với người viết nhạc, mình xin lấy “sản phẩm” (songs) của họ, là những người đi bên cạnh mình và làm những điều kể trên!
You are all so caught up with your own intellectual senses and vanity that your concepts of religion are somewhat quiet juvenile. Religion goes beyond promoting the philosophy of love and compassion (funny no one mentioned kindness), it meant to push your soul and mind to another world with forces of love and kindness behind.
I find artists and song writers who believe in religion are much more creative than those who don’t. In order break the boundary of creativity and imagination, one must believe in things beyond rationalities and reasoning. (Happy are those who do not see, but still believe etc…that’s why atheists are so bloody boring to talk to…) Think of Nick Cave (Christianity) and Leonard Cohen (Buddhist). They’re incredible song writers, Nick Cave especially who I think has a sharper edge more so than Trinh Cong Son. But I still love Trinh Cong Son because he was my Vietnamese William Blake and Byron…hehehe. The song ‘Nay em co nho’ is not about religion even though the song mentioned ‘Chua and Phat’, it was an expression of hopelessness and destitution. Vu Thanh An is a wonderful song writer, his newer materials explore issues beyond love and relationship which I find more creative than all of the ‘Bai Khong Ten’, although Tinh Khuc Thu Nhat is madly poetic and imaginative.
The reason some of you despite religion because you might find it a little too structured or it’s simply that you can’t differentiate God’s laws and men’s laws, your own belief and that of society. Religion is incredibly personal and yes…happy are those who do not see, but still believe…
Hey ThuHoai, do you live in Sydney or Melbourne, I’m coming to Melbourne in March, I was just wondering where all the Vietnamese music scenes are, do you know? What about all the Vietnamese underground scenes?…Come on…spill it out…hehehe
Co ai biet ly do tai sao nhac Vu Thanh An van chua duoc phep hat tai VN ??? Day la nhac si duy nhat cua mien Nam VN chi viet ve nhac tinh lang man…..giong nhac ong cung hao hao nhu NTMien voi nhieu uu sau va buon ba hon.
TF : Dem thay ta la thac do – TCSon
“Lòng tôi có đôi lần khép cửa
rồi bên vết thương tôi quì
vì em đã mang lời khấn nhỏ
bỏ tôi đứng bên đời kia”
Dua theo casi Quang Dung trong mot dvd nhac…anh duoc nhac si TCSon tam tinh. bai nay TCS viet khi tinh co gap va rung dong voi ve dep cua mot Nu Tu Si cong giao….dung hay khong thi that ra nhieu bai cua ong cung rat nhieu gia thuyet.
Pop me up oi, Thu Hoai live outside of the brotherly city of Philadelphia, Pa, USA :)
I would love to go to Sydney / or Melbourne for a visit some day.
Pop me up, I tend to agree with you re: religion et al.. and I also did say earlier that I love Mr. Vu Thanh An’s later work as he stated he donnates the rest of his life serving God hence the songs are much more spiritual. I love the lyrics of “Doi Da Vang” and ” Rung rung le”. It’s so meaningful and I don’t like any of his “bai khong ten” except “Quan quit van ve ta ao”.. I do like that one.
I love to sing and dance but I am not a party animal though.. I will get back to you re: Melbourne since I have some friends over there.
@TH: TF thuc ra mieng con bung hoi sua, chi thich to mo va nhat la rat ua “thoc gay banh xe”. Nhu ban Duong da noi, hay de nhung qua khu den toi ngu yen.
@TrungVuong: Em nghi ho cam nhac VTA vi vet tich cai tao cua ong. Sau bien co ay, lap truong ong rat ro rang.
Mot chuyen nho hay hay: TCS that tinh ca doi. Ong co noi ong lam nhieu nhac de chinh phuc nhung nguoi con gai ong theo duoi, ngat la chang co nao thich nhac ong het. Khong biet neu co co nao xa luoi thi ong co tiep tuc lam nhac khong…
TH: I had no idea you’re from Philly. I need your help. There was a Cambodian restaurant near Chinatown Philly that made some awesome awesome hu tiu nam vang. The name, if my memory is correct, was Phnom Penh. Ring any bell? I’m coming in early April and would be really bummed out if I don’t get some. Please say you know what I’m talking about!
Oh I forgot yes pop me up you mentioned “tinh khuc thu nhat” I just love
this song so much .. I feel like crying every time I sing it. It’s sad and I really don’t understand it but the lyrics “loang thoang” hoi hoi hieu mot ti and the melody is so gorgeous. Beautiful songs better sung with just a guitar / or piano. Thanks to this forum I am now into TCS lyrics alot more. I used to love it but really don’t understand it that much. My fav. Trinh song is “Chieu mot minh qua pho” & “dem thay ta la thac do”.
Oh my God TF, I am not even into eating out because I am on a very strict non starch diet.
Let me check with my sister. She is the one that cann’t cook and like to eat. She should know the restaurant. All I know is Peking Duck and the place call Panang.
I am outside of Philly in N. Wilmington in the Brandywine Hundread area. I used to live in New Hope outside of Philly.
nn co doc o dau quen roi, noi ve TCS khi tre yeu thich mot co gai o mot buoi hop mat, nhung co ta khong thich TCS vi co ta thich dan ong cao rao va muoi cao theo net tay phuong. nn co save va cai article ve nhung bai nhac cua TCS, khong co dung hay khong nhung doc cung co ly, roi moi biet..”a thi ra bai hat nay co nghia la nhu vay”
Trung Vung thanks for your post re: Dem thay ta la thac do. Please keep writting guys. I would like to know all the “gia thuyet” re: TCS songs. One of my friend said that singers not allowed to sing TCS songs in public. For example, if I sing TCS songs in one of my gig, she said I have to pay the fees !! Well the Beatles aren’t collecting any money from me so why does ms. Trinh Vinh Trinh wants fees ? Anyone ?
Well guess what ? I will be singing a medley of TCS songs so I hope TVT won’t be after me for the fees.
o day co ai sai paltalk khong?
Yes, I did use Paltalk few times some years ago
… But now got scared away because of amazing stories like these about chatrooms
http://www.vanityfair.com/ontheweb/features/2005/02/bachrach200502?currentPage=1
pop me up, heh :) we are just waiting for somebody like you to pop up and fill us with the exciting details! Both TF and you really impress me with your wealth of knowledge on a wide range of subjects. You guys writing are much more articulate than mine so please continue.
Just because I am not a fan of religion in general doesn’t mean that I promote atheism. Though I would take a boring atheist over a religious fanatic any day. Having a spiritual life is beautiful, becoming a religious fanatic is, um, scary :).
tang moi nguoi mot ban nhac boleros
historia de un amor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIWxS6_98t8&feature=related
Thanks nguoinghe. So nice in Spanish !
Love the rhythm.
Hoang,
I wholeheartedly agree with you in regards to religion. Personally, I believe that religion is a human invention, created to explain the unknown and (at those certain times) the inexplicable. A chariot pulling the sun across the sky, a God who can be split into 3 parts, a person’s consciousness being reborn over and over again until reaching enlightenment… to me, these are all myths.
Just because I don’t believe in them doesn’t mean that I don’t respect people’s beliefs. I do not go out and preach my atheism (or try to convert others), nor do I look down upon others if they disagree with me. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said by many people of most of the organized faiths.
“Doi Da Vang” is an amazing piece, as are some thanh ca that I grew up listening to. In fact, I have them on my ipod because I appreciate their lyrics and soul, even if I don’t believe.
Popmeup: you bring up some interesting points, but you also fail to mention some amazing songwriters who happen to not believe, such as Gershwin, Porter, Berlin, Elton John, John Lennon, Sarah McLachlan… But to elaborate on your point, perhaps placing beliefs in something that is abstract or can’t be proven may make one more vulnerable. This vulnerability may be the catalyst for creating songs that resonate more deeply with the human spirit?
I appreciate everyone’s respectful, civil discussion here on Donny’s blog. It definitely demonstrates how classy an audience that Donny attracts.
Dear Viet,
There is a thanh ca song call “kinh hoa binh”
There is a couple lines that I love.
“dem yeu thuong vao noi oan thu
dem chan ly vao chon loi lam
…
vi chinh khi thu tha
la khi duoc tha thu
chinh luc quen minh
la luc gap lai ban than
chinh luc chet di la khi
vui song muon doi ”
This song make me feel very peaceful when I have a bad day.
Today I just found out a girl at my old job
has last stage cancer that has spread to
her liver.
She just got married couple months ago and she is beautiful, intelligent and full of life. ..
“cuoc doi treo tren toc” dung nhu bai hat cua ong Pham Duy.
Live each day as your last and treasure family, friendship and your spirtual needs.
Be thankfu happy that you are alive and well whenever troubles find you. It could be alot alot worse.
TH, thank you for sharing those inspirational words.
I have a close friend who wanted nothing more in life than to have children. A few weeks after she was married, she was diagnosed with ovarian cancer and had to have a hysterectomy. The world works in weird ways.
Yet through it all, it was friends, family, and music that helped her recover, both physically and emotionally.
Viet, that is the nastiest cancer ever. Nasty because it is very difficult to diagnose because the symptoms are very vague.
A little of knowledge sometimes can be a negative. I am always very apprehensive if I have any symptoms. I guess I have seen plenty of medical problems and just assumed the worse !
Viet, glad to know that somebody is feeling the same way. I talked to one of my friend today and he told me a beautiful quote from Gandhi that wholly captured my sentiment, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
Couldn’t have agreed more and I can’t say it any better than that.
Thú vị!