Memories of Sai Gon With a Detour
About two months ago, Hung Hoang, founder of VN Collective, invited me to a Vietnamese concert titled Dem Nho Ve Sai Gon (Memories of Sai Gon) in Mississauga. He also wanted to use two of my slideshows, “Bien Nho” and “Vietnam In Memoriam,” for the event. Although none of my work was shown for technical (and some political) issues, I still drove across the border to attend the show. The reason being that I haven’t seen neither Tuan Ngoc nor Khanh Ha live.
Tuan Ngoc didn’t disappoint. He had proven that age ain’t nothing but a number and he often joked about it during the show. By the way, his dry humors were clever and brought out the not-so-serious side of him. His outstanding performances of the night included the nostalgic rendition of Tram Tu Thien’s “Dem Nho Ve Sai Gon,” soulful take on Trinh Cong Son’s “Phoi Pha” and Ngo Thuy Mien’s “Ao Lua Ha Dong.” Loved the bossa-nova arrangement on “Ao Lua Ha Dong” and the way the piano comping behind Tuan Ngoc. His weaker performances were Trinh Cong Son’s “Ha Trang” (the mid-tempo arrangement ruined the lyrical imaginations) and “Smoke Gets In Your Eyes.” Tuan Ngoc can sing English, but not so great. His flow was stilted and his accent was transparent.
During intermission, I had an opportunity to catch up and thank Hung Hoang for the invitation. Knowing that Mr. Hoang is the organizer, a not-so-bad-looking lady in her mid thirties interrupted our conversation to request a song from Tuan Ngoc. She wanted to hear him sing “Rieng Mot Goc Troi.” I wanted to slap her for one of my visitors, but I looked at Mr. Hung and laughed instead. Tuan Ngoc did delivered “Rieng Mot Goc Troi” near the end of the concert and still managed to show off his technical skill for the 999 times he had sung the tune.
Unlike Tuan Ngoc, Khanh Ha was quite a disappointment. She literally fucked up the theme of the show simply because she came way too late to practice with the band. She started out with Van Phung’s “Toi Di Giua Hoang Hon” out of tune. She sang in one key while the band played in another. The saxophone kicked in at the bridge caused her to dropped out instead of finishing up the song. Her version of “Autumn Leaves” was a mess. The band, which consisted of Canadian players, and her didn’t communicate. It was so horrible that she had to request a kid who could play some classical piano to accompanied her instead of the jazz band. She managed to pulled off Anh Bang’s “Khuc Thuy Du,” Truong Sa’s “Xin Con Goi Ten Nhau” and “Unchain Melody” with just a piano behind her. She went as far as singing Hoang Duong’s “Huong Ve Ha Noi” in an acappella style, although the theme was clearly about remembering Sai Gon. I guess she wanted to take a detour.
If this was a Tuan Ngoc & Khanh Ha show, it was decent. They both delivered their signature songs well. However, for a show with a concept of Dem Nho Sai Gon, it was all over the place. The song selection didn’t take the listeners back to Sai Gon. Choices like Thanh Tung’s “Giot Nang Ben Them,” Pham Dinh Chuong’s “Nua Hon Thuong Dau,” Duc Huy’s “Bai Di Canh Chim Bien,” Pham Duy’s “Kiep Nao Con Co Nhau” didn’t evoke the images of Sai Gon.
Musically, the band’s playing was way too restricted. Unlike Say Thu with Thu Phuong, in which the band swung, played the blues and added some Latin flavors, they played mostly pop ballad and only accommodated the vocalists. They hardly brought out their solos and improvisations. They didn’t played with confidence.
Dem Nho Sai Gon was disorganized and it was out of the organizer’s control. I could see how tough it was to put together a show; therefore, I have already abandoned my idea of my ideal concert.
Hi!
I was at the show last night too! Although the show was fairly disorganized, but it didn’t seem like the audience really minded. Everybody seemed very relaxed and enjoyed contributing their comments to the singers. However, I do have to say that the Diva in Khanh Ha really came out that night! Tuan Ngoc was so suave, with such a classic air about him, something singers these days really lack.
I’m surprised you didn’t like little Duong Thai Hoa for his improvisation at the scene. I thought he did great since he was so young and didn’t know which songs were being played ahead of time. But yes, all in all, it could have been organized better and the ‘story’ behind the concert could have been told much better but I am still pretty happy to have attended this concert.
And the slide show was also amazing, by the way. :-)
My friend’s band had a similar experience w/ KH a few years back. They really sucks, though, and a KH in her hey days would not share one second with those guys on stage. To be fair, however, they did repeatedly request a list of songs with their key signatures from her in advance for practice…to no avail, of course. Needless to say, the result was total chaos. How did she look on Saturday, Donny? She was still smoking then. Can’t…get….over…those…lips…
Hi,
I’m Duong Thai Hoa (the “little kid who could play some classical piano” lol :P)
I just wanted to say that some of the songs (i.e. Khuc Thuy Du & the LK Vu Thanh An at the end) she had planned for me to accompany her without the band, and all the other songs I accompanied were pretty much spur of the moment, so I had no idea I was going to end up accompanying her for multiple songs. I pretty much was just improvising as I went along haha. But I think Khanh Ha & I pulled it off, and I think we both did a good job given the circumstances. And the fact that I’m only 17, it was like a dream come true just to even play one song for her!
Thank you Kasumi for those nice words :)
Hi Donny,
You don’t know me but I’m the guy who sent your family tickets to Say Thu 3 years ago.
I designed three slide shows for the event, including Bay Di Canh Chim Bien but I didn’t come so I don’t if the work.
Hoa,
Khanh Ha did now show up to practice, did not communicate with the band . To me, this is a total disrespect to the organizer, the band and the audience .You did a great job and really saved Khanh Ha’s face yesterday.
Hi lunxit, so you’re the one hooked us up with the tickets. I wanted to thank you three years ago, but did not know who you were. Still not too late to say thanks becuase Thu Say is still fresh in my mind. By the way, I really liked your slideshow for “Chieu Mot Minh Qua Pho,” the photos worked really well with Duy Cuong’s style arrangement.
Hi Thai Hoa, you had indeed saved the diva’s ass that night; however, I was in the zone for some smoking jazz, especially with the vibes Tuan Ngoc built up before the diva came out. Still keep chucking away at that piano. You got a great future ahead of you, kiddo.
float abides, Khanh Ha still looked blazing for her age, at least from afar.
yeah, I can understand both your views. It really was disorganized, especially because of Khanh Ha showing up late. It was really hectic before and during the show.
During the show, she actually came up to me backstage and told me that if I wasn’t there she wouldn’t know what to do at all.
Why was Khanh Ha late? Plane delayed or was she just being a diva lol. It’s hard to imagine an experienced singer like her would do such an erroneous mistake
I guess Tuan Ngoc and Khanh Ha didn’t get to duet which is unfortunate because they are magical together. Their duet in Ngo Thuy Mien’s Doc Mo has to be one of the best live performances I’ve ever seen
Tank,
they got to duet in a Lien Khuc of Vu Thanh An songs
Yes Kasumi, Duong Thai Hoa’s piano solo on “Sai Gon Vinh Bien” and “Bien Nho” was beautiful. The technical execution was flawless, but lacked the emotional depths. He stayed right on the written melodies with not a whole lot of personal touch. Even when backing up the diva, he was pretty much accommodating her instead of complementing her.
Nevin Campell, the Canadian pianist, on the other hand, played a complete different ball game when he backed her in “Kiep Nao Con Co Yeu Nhau.” He broke up the rhythm on the left hand while complementing Khanh Ha’s upper register with the high keys. That was her best performance of the night.
I would have let her off the hook if she bit the bullet and went on with the band. Sure, the first song was rough, but she should have worked out right on the spot to make up for her unpreparedness. She should have done the hon-ai nay-giu style. After all, jazz is all about playing on the set. With her singing experience all these years, she should have no problem pulling it off.
Ta như cậu bé mồ côi…
Hi there,
I was also there at Dem Nho Saigon and I personally enjoyed it.
Even though I agree that Khanh Ha did hijack the show with her own agenda, I understood the director’s vision for the night.
From the very first song, Hen Ho, it brought us all back to Saigon thirty five years ago when we were privy to the view of Song Saigon, splitting in two.
Tuan Ngoc brought vividly to mind the 2 main seasons of Saigon in Ha Trang and then went on to Ao Lua Ha Dong which to me painted a beautiful picture of the fashion and culture of the time.Chieu Mot Minh Qua Pho, combined with the slide show, immediately brought me to Saigon in the sixties and seventies.
In the beginning of the second half,from Duong Thai Hoa’s piano solo, dedicated to his parents’ plight, it was a revelation of the young man’s ample talent and highlighted the VN Collective aim of promoting and nurturing the arts in the young. It came as a pleasant surprise and a huge bonus that he could accompany Khanh Ha on so many of her songs without any prior rehearsals.
Then the story unfolded with Bich Yen’s rendition of Xin Mat Troi Ngu Yen to plead the case against battle between brother and brother.
Oi chinh chien da mang di ban be nearly brought me to tears. Khanh Ha’s Bay di canh chim bien surprised me by its poignancy of the images of fleeing refugees turning for one last look at their homeland,” quay mat nhin Que Huong lan cuoi and chang con tieng noi nao de trach cu noi nhau” and brought home Nguyen Sy’s dedication to those who did not make it across the ocean.
For me,Nua Hon Thuong Dau – “nham mat cho toi tim mot thoang huong xua, cho toi ve duong cu nen tho, cho toi gap nguoi xua…” powerfully evoked what we all lived through after leaving Saigon. When Khanh Ha sang Kiep Nao co yeu nhau, I understood to mean the thread of relationships broken by war and unknown whether the two ends would ever meet again.
I could not ask for more when Tuan Ngoc then came out with Dem Nho Saigon to cap it off. Giot nang ben them reminded a lot of people of the experience of Viet Kieu who go back, only to find missing holes in their family, friends and hearth.
I had no problems with the 2 stars each singing their signature songs, such as Tu Giong Hat Em and Rieng mot goc troi, when they were so beautifully and powerfully delivered.
The last song/duet by the 2, accompanied by Duong Thai Hoa, rounded off the evening quite well, I thought.
I thought it was interesting that a Canadian band was used in lieu of a VN one but it was enlightening to see others uplift and interpret the soul of Vietnamese music and doing a very credible job of it. The only down side was that they could not coordinate to the tempo of the singers by virtue of not understanding the lyrics.
Where I can see where others could criticize the disorganiation of the program, I could also see the laudable heart and vision of its director.
As Khanh Ha said at the end, it will be a night that I will remember for the rest of my life.
sorry a little bit off topic here, however I just want to share this site…
http://www.sbs.com.au/shows/lukenguyen/episodes/page/i/1/h/Episodes/
In Luke Nguyen’s Vietnam we take a culinary journey through the southern regions of Vietnam, from Saigon, through the Mekong Delta, and north along the coast to the World Heritage city of Hoi An. Seven towns are explored over ten colourful half hour episodes.
enjoy!
“As Khanh Ha said at the end, it will be a night that I will remember for the rest of my life.”
I really hope she does remember it for the rest of her life so she could be more responsible in the future and won’t show up late again to ruin a show that many people had worked hard to make it happen.
Bich Yen opened the show with “Hen Ho” and she was singing like a marathon runner who was doing some squatting warmup. She loved to belt, but couldn’t handle the low notes.
I am a pain in the ass, I know, and anh Hung probably thinks he made a mistake of inviting me to the show after he read all of these comments.
I saw Khanh Ha in Sydney..She was good..howevr in Tu Giong hat em…somehow at 1 instant when she stumble over a word in the lyrics..she seemed to be really unforgiven to herself..we could see in her face that she was not happy with herself for that..thats my memory of her..
And in another show with Duy Quang/ Thai Hien/ Thai Thao and Tuan Ngoc singing Tinh ca Pham Duy with the presence of the great man himself..The singers could not remember the lyrics and lots of time were singing with the lyrics on paper.
I learn not to expect too much anymore! And i enjoy a bit better without expectation..lol..
Soon i’ll be seeing Bao Yen…She will be great..as was Nha Phuong when she was here couple years ago.
Dear Donny,
You are welcome. You still remember this :-) ?
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~banguyen/upload/design/2TICKETS.jpg
I often design posters & ticket for Hung’s events but I rarely came to them. Here are a few:
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~banguyen/upload/design/
I found visualgui a few years ago and I was very impressed by your Bonjour Vietnam slideshow. I like the way you write your articles to. No politics, no b.s. , just right to the points.
Hi LunXin, of course I remember those tickets. Very simple and elegant design. I think we have similar styles :)
Hoang Hung is a lousy organizer… He is no boby but try/pretend to be one… It is not suprise to me that people criticize about the disorganization of his show.
Hi all,
First please allow me to consider myself as a friend of Hung when I share my thoughts and feelings here. If Hung read these lines , I am sure he will recognize who I am… :-)
I organize shows in the same style, once in a while and let me tell you,it’s hard. From a ticket selling point of view, the night was a succes, the seats were sold out however if I were Hung, I would be quite disappointed because Hung couldn’t deliver what he wanted or planned to deliver. And that for many reasons:
1. Time restriction (you only have 4 hours to do the prep work: from sound checking, rehearsal, stage set up etc…) If one of the performer/band member doesn’t understand or care (which usually they don’t) that , you are screwed !
2. High risk when you use a band who’s not familiar with the songs. As long as everybody stick to the program , you are fine but any minor deviation can end up in a disaster.
I cannot speak for all show organizers but for me personnally, I don’t feel good because my show is sold out , I do feel good when I delivered even thought financially I don’t do great ; but again it’s me. I said so because I had faced that situation the last time I had a show at the same hall(LAC), in October last year. That was the first time I tried to introduce jazzy tunes to the VN audience. The response was very very positive however I felt sooooooooo down because the band couldn’t deliver everything I have in my heart, that I want so badly to SHARE. I even wondered how can the audience be satisfied when i felt the way I did ????
Anyway, a big hug for Hung and Duong thai Hoa.. Keep it up ,guys!
Anh Hung had organized successful shows in the past, so I wouldn’t dismiss him as a lousy organizer. Like I said, this was out of the organizer’s control.
“The response was very very positive however I felt sooooooooo down because the band couldn’t deliver everything I have in my heart, that I want so badly to SHARE. I even wondered how can the audience be satisfied when i felt the way I did ????”
Vietnamese-Canadian audience seems to be easy and very nice. As you can see, folks are actually very satisfied with Dem Nho Sai Gon.
First, let me declare that I do know Hung personally as a friend, but I am always fair-minded and not shy about giving constructive criticism.
I always remind my 8 and 9 year old boys that “If you have nothing nice to say, then don’t say anything at all”. It’s distasteful for Diva ( even the name implies a not-so-nice connotation … who would choose / cover herself with such a lofty title ), a supposedly grown-up, to say “He is no boby but try/pretend to be one… It is not suprise to me that people criticize about the disorganization of his show”. She is a Diva with imperfect English and has nothing but hate and negative criticism in her writing.
I was at the show, and loved the second half more than the first. From this blog, I think most agreed that the first half of the show was disorganized, but not due to the organizer’s fault. Khanh Ha failed to live up to her own reputation, and her professional obligation to the her “employer” and her fans, by not practicing with the band. Her brother, Tuan Ngoc, was on the same flight which arrived the night before the show, and he had plenty of time to familiarize himself with the program and the band. And he was amazing. On the other side of the event, Hung had put his heart and soul into the program. He is a passionate straight shooter who often goes out of his way to help his friends, some of whom later bit the very hand of their benefactor.
Hung … keep on grooving, man. I look forward to your next show.
Life is too short.
Hehe from the sound of this Hung is doing very well. If you got some haters along with some fan/friend to back you up then you must be doing well :)
Tuan Ngoc is amazing though, every single time I have trouble sleeping his voice always come through and put me to sleep :))))
On a serious note I’ve heard great thing about Canada… From what I heard the people there are very laid back and love to party.
Hoang, what’s up buddy? if anyone, you’re the most laid back, man. I envy of your “own boss” job.
Anh Hung got one hater, I got tons. He should be alright :)
I came prepared with plenty of rest and two cups of coffee so I wished Tuan Ngoc held down the show all by himself without the interruption from the diva. ;)
Life is too short, you said that Tuan Ngoc and Khanh Ha was on the same flight? So Khanh Ha chose not to show up for practice?
Yup. They were on the same flight, and she chose to go out with her friends shopping instead.
I thought her flight was delayed and that was not even an excuse, yet she went shopping instead of practicing? Now that is pretty fucked up. I would have fired her ass if I was the organizer. The show was messed up with or without her anyway.
The show was already arranged and in full motion. Tickets were already sold. There remained very little choice.
Donny, I think you meant Khanh Ha’s performance torpedoed the show. She wasted the program’s precious time and energy, and your patience. In turn, she set up a negative vibe for the second half of the show.
Keep in mind…
Your most hated customers are your greatest source of learning…
Yes, that’s what I meant. She messed up the show and had the audacity to say that Tuan Ngoc’s performance would be better because he took the time to practice with the band.
Donny, just went through your website… love your artworks !!!
“Your most hated customers are your greatest source of learning…”
usually never…A “hater” speaks and acts vilely…What can one learn from that?
One can learn from a fair person constructively. And yes, one can also learn … to stay away … from the emotionally imbalanced.
There is a difference between being a difficult but fair person who speaks constructively, vs. a difficult emotional “hater” who speaks nothing but hate and attacks others on a personal level without just cause.
Life is too short…to hate.
Can I give a little advice?…Hung, I would suggest next time, make sure to flight the performers in the night before. Book the flight as early as you can. Have them rehearse the Friday night so it leaves you some buffer on Sat morning. The best is to avoid doing any rehearsal on the day of the show, so you can focus strictly on sound checking and stage set up. If the rehearsal finish late in Friday night, the singers can always sleep in the next morning. Believe me, try that way, it saves you lots of grief… :-)
Yes, life is too short to be hated…
Hate and love are part of life… There always is a reason behind those words that people want to express their feeling… Nothing wrong to be honest with your comments…
Here is the poem that I would like to share with everyone about HATE & LOVE:
I hate,
those who lie
I hate,
those who is selfish
I hate,
to be unhappy
I hate,
hate to live in lies
I love,
to be in love
I love,
to be honest
I love,
all trusted poeple
I hate,
being hated
I hate,
there is so much to hate
I love,
there is so much to be loved
BayDiCanhChimBien slide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5STTMPS5lzo
Hoang Hung, what a looser, a punk who needs a good hair cut…..I love a man in white suit, clean, sexy looking and well spoken in both Vietnamese(giong Bac Sai Gon) and English….what’s his name,Diva ? love to hook up with him …need your help!!! sister.
Mr. Hoang aka da diva playa, what have you done to these divas that made them hate your gut? :)
I agree with all the comments made by the Divas. We are all born with a brain and mouth. We use them both freely to express our thoughts and feelings. This world is composed of winners and loosers. It seems that the organizer of this show is of the later.
This guy has no musical, nor any artistic talent but he claims to be a musical and an artistic connoisseur. He must always be so hungry and starving hahahaha… He is a big dreamer. It’s about time to get back to earth and look after your family like a real man. Your wife and kids need your attention and pay checks rather than you trying to seek limelight.
Hoang Hung, Mr.hai Lua was wearing ugly army short and runing around likes chicken without head at his own concert…..when he’s wearing at his best still NO jacket and tie….what he’s thinking?? this ‘s his bedroom or garden during summer time…..should be learning from the man (Dr. always looking good in white).
Donny, What’s a name of this sexy guy ?? my dream man…i think he is single ( No ring on a finger)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phucpham/4496128935/in/set-72157623271968355/
The person in the white suite is Dr. Kien… Hoang Hung is his servent. You need to be sick to see him.
BTW, Kien is very happily married, from what I hear… :-) :-)
Wow ! Donny this concert was in Canada? I love Tuan Ngoc live.. Khanh Ha is a great singer, however she is known for forgetting her lyrics :) I think may be KH isn’t used to sing live with jazz bands. Being with Paris By Night all these years and singing with local bands did not help matter.. don’t forget she is getting older too :) However I still love her and I wish she take he concert more seiously. I would give anything to sing at concerts like this LOL
To Cherryblossom, you are absolutely right re: comment #30.
If anyone in Canada needs a Viet singer who can sing jazz in English, Viet and little French. I am available anytime. I can and will travel to Canada. My Jazz CD is coming out in a month featuring 10 Jazz standards in Vietnamese, English, French and Spanish with an American jazz trio. I take this opportunity to advertise myself a bit. .. Hope Donny won’t mind .. have a great weekend.
Best regards to all
Thu Hoai
Just admit it divas, you know you have a thing for Mr. Hung or else you wouldn’t noticed that much about him. Is it the suave hair or the sexy legs? :)
Thu Hoai,
Do you have a website to advertise your CD ???
I was going to put it on CD baby.
@Donny,
I’ve been born that way what can I say hehe. Life has roughen me up a little bit but it hasn’t changed me much. The way I see it life is short, so what’s the hurry.
hehe ghe’t cu~a na`o tro*`i trao cu?a na^’y baby :))) I personally think Hung have a secret admirer :)))
I gotta agree with life is short on this one. It’s fine to tell the truth, the truth will always be appreciate no matter how harsh they might be. However most of the personal attack tend to deviate much from the truth so they are opinions and not facts.
If the part about Khanh Ha choose to go out shopping instead of showing up to practice is truth then there is no excuse whatsoever. It ain’t nobody but her own fault and I hope that any organizer would think twice about booking her.
@cherryblossom you never know until you knock it! The more the merrier or so I heard :))))
I have a white suite, short hair, and I hate there is so much hate, and I love nice loving people.
I have a brain and a mouth for …a love-to-be-touched thingy.
I love divas, cinderellas, cherries, tequillas, bitches and hoes.
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white suite at your service
Thank you, white suite, for your nice offer but married people is too much stress material for my poor little brain. I am not sure about the divas but I’d pass on this one on…. :-) :-) ;-)
I am only interested in women… unless you shave your legs, wear makeup and wear dresses… Also you must chop your dick and throw it in the garbage disposal as well… Stop dreaming, DREAMER!!! Go home and take care of your wife and kids according Cinderella’s advice.
White suite, go use your icthy tounge and lick yourself… No sane individual is interseted in you or your kind !!!
Hey Di Va / other hoes,
I am also a woman and very much single.
I am sadly not blessed with any children.
I too prefer women as well, although I do play with 2 “half-a-man”, a male nurse and an impotent chartered accountant ( can those be counted as “sisters”).
However sisters are more fun, especially the dirty-minded dirty-talking slutty ones like yourself.
You have nothing better to do on a nice weekend but to write me a love note.
I truly appreciate that, and actually expected that from you.
See ya soon